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Old 04-06-2008, 04:11 PM
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Re: Why deism is more rational than theism.

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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
You do realize that Deism is a type of Theism, right? Your statement makes about as much sense as "apples are better than fruit." Which is none.

I also believe that my Atheist friends would be disappointed to see this post. You disregard Atheism because you happen to believe another equally logical answer, in what appears to be an attempt to propagate your own opinion as the only logical one.

Also, in the future, I'd avoid using the "Why [My Opinion] is Better than [Your Opinion]" structure; it portrays you as blatantly arrogant.

But hey, atleast you're not a Nihilist.
Yeah, I really didn't mean for the title to come across that way. "Reasons why deism may be more rational than theism" would have been a better title.

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Originally Posted by Bobslob
1. Based on the reasons which support your belief in God, what are the minimum attributes or characteristics which this God must have?

2. When God created, was the act of creation necessary or free?

3. Why did God create?
1. He created the observable Universe. That's it. Some atheists say that matter is eternal and has always existed. But I think God is the only eternal thing. It seems clear, through scientific observation of matter, that nothing could have existed forever. Only something above the known logic viewed in this existence could have existed forever ... and since the Universe needed a cause God must have been that cause - because something eternal must have caused it. It's a bit like how us three-dimensional beings can imagine a two-dimensional existence and then create it on paper. Even though we created it, we had to have made it from our dimension and we couldn't have existed in that dimension. If we put a sphere in a 2-d world, the 2-d man would have seen it as some wierd lines appearing from nowhere - it would go against the know laws of his existence and he would be completely baffled. Just as we know creating matter is completely impossible in our existence (energy cannot be created nor destroyed, only transferred).

2. I would hypothesise that it was free. But I can't say for certain in terms of a logical conclusion based on what I have observed about the world. I have never seen God, and I may never.

3. Again, I can't know. There doesn't seem to be any way in which I can contact God and find out these things.
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