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Old 03-28-2008, 04:01 AM
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Re: Fitna the Movie -an Anti Quran Film- released!

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Originally Posted by Project 2501 View Post
Did I not just highlight where the court decision stated the ECHR's opinion of sharia?
You consistently say this with a straight face, but nowhere is it implied that the ECHR passed a ban on a political party over Shariah. It is against the power-mongering party leader who had plans to overthrow a democratic government and impose his own law system by force.

Not that I'd particularly enjoyed pursuing this diverging little rant of yours, off topic and pointless as it is.



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The families of over 100 people would beg to differ with you.


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Originally Posted by Virtigo
The truth is people did not riot with violence and killing over the fact that Muhammad was depicted. There is a depiction of him in plain sight on the U.S. Capitol building's mosaic, for instance. There is also a healthy amount of Islamic art that depicts Muhammad.

Nor did people kill and maim over 'bomb Muhammad' or comics about heaven running out of virgins. The truth is these same cartoons were in print and circulation in Middle Eastern newspapers over three months ago. Only the editors and a few write ins really cared.

They were quite benign, actually. The worst of the lot would definitely be 'Bomb Muhammad,' and that was nothing to riot about, as the printing of these same comics months before the riots proves.


HOWEVER. The fundamental imams of Denmark, not satisfied with the fact that the Muslims in Denmark couldn't care less, began to tour the Middle East with a large 35 page dossier in hand.

If you couldn't tell already, you don't need 35 pages to simply reprint 12 cartoons. These pages contained three new 'cartoons' that were later proven to be fakes. One had a picture of a man in a friendly pig-costume competition. This picture was later made black-and-white and captioned with 'Muhammad as a pig.' If you can't tell, that's much more offensive than the original dozen light-hearted comics from Denmark. Another fake was an image of a praying man with a dog humping him - captioned as Muhammad being raped by a dog. That one was even more offensive and downright disgusting. The final was a demonic picture of Muhammad cavorting with demons and shown as a pedophile. This one is self-explanatory.


But wait! There's more! It's clear to everyone that you don't need 35 pages to depict 12+3 cartoons. What else was in this dossier? Stories. Fake stories and half-truths to be exact. It presents a Denmark with an 'endangered Muslim population' that was receiving death threats daily. It presents a Muslim population being repressed by the Danish government while it publishes derogatory images of Muslims and Muhammad in the newspapers and hands medals to people who the Middle East already hates, like Ms. Hirsi. They present the Muslims in Denmark as under threat of Islamophobia and in dire need of help, that Denmark does not recognize Muslims in their country.

And then they presented said dossier to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, a huge Middle Eastern summit involving several heads of state and religious leaders. Soon after, said leaders approached the UN for sanctions against Denmark under the conception that the Danish imams were truthful in their plea and the religious leaders started preaching what they now learned from the dossier. If you can imagine what stories of death threats and persecutions towards Danish Muslims on top of three offensive cartoons involving rape by dogs, pig-faced Muhammad, and demonic pedophile Muhammad can do to a spiritually incensed community after Friday prayers... well, we don't need to imagine. The riots were obvious.


So notice another thing. All the nations that had access to this dossier from the Danish imams were the ones with the most number of initial protests. At the same time, all the violent protests and riots happened in countries that received this dossier and spread its propaganda around.

Why not look at, say, Bangladesh and North America? They did not get a look at said dossier, only what the official news reports from CNN and BBC tell them - the truth. And what happened? Mild protests, a few miffed editors telling off what they thought, and no deaths or acts of violence. An average response, like when Dogma was released and Christian groups had their little say and protests against it.


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Exactly, which is why they should be banned as well.
Too bad that such an argument doesn't make sense, nor is acceptable by standards of freedom.



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Thank you for actually providing sources. I concede this point, but that would not have been the correct response, regardless; I don't do people's homework for them. And even so, it does not erase the basic objection against the violent verses present in the Qur'an.
It was your homework to begin with. You asserted that there was silence on the part of moderate Islam without so much as having checked and backed such a statement in the first place.

Furthermore, what objection? You speak of Wilder's movie that argues like the hundreds of odd online polemics with badly reasoned criticisms and out-of-context sourcing of verses as if it was a legitimate point. They neither fuel extremism among Muslims nor is there, with actual reading of the surahs, an objectionable portrayal of violence.