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Originally Posted by Bane
I know what burden of proof is, I just said that its perfectly within my right to ask you for proof on your end as well.
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Burden of proof is always on the positive claim, not the negative.
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I'm not saying that if you can't disprove magic then it must exist. I'm just saying that if you can say it doesn't because there isn't any proof, I can say there are unexplained things that seem to be magic and for you to prove to me that they are not.
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Sure, but you need to provide something inexplicable that would be evidence.
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As I said, miracles and "twin ESP." There has been no scientific reason why either exist, and because of this many people say they don't. That doesn't change the fact that there are things out there that do occur that just can't be explained.
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Twin ESP has never been shown to actually happen.
As for miracles, which ones, what evidence is there?
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Perhaps these unexplainable things are only unexplainable because we have no way of explaining magic, much less measuring it. If I said to you, magic exists, and you said it doesn't, and I bring up unexplained things and you have no explanation, that means my unexplained things are plausible evidence and must be disproved before an answer of no can be accepted.
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First we need some evidence that these inexplicable things actually happened.
I could just say: "My pet dog can fly. Since you can't disprove that I must be right." Obviously that doesn't work, but it's exactly what you're doing.
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Its just like religion. I'm not sure if you are a religious person, but at any rate, there is no physical proof that God exists, and almost all proof that can be shown can be explained away. But people still believe in God.
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I'm an atheist since there is no evidence for God.
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Then there are the stubborn people who could be given the most undeniable proof of something, whether it be in the positive to a thought or the negative, and they still believe what they want and ignore the proof. For all I know, I could find absolute proof that magic exists, and show you this proof, but you could still just decide not to believe it exists.
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I'd like to think I'm more open minded than that (I did, after all, go from being very religious to atheist.), but, of course, there's no way you'd be able to tell if that's the case or not.