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Originally Posted by Evilsbane
Where do you think it goes? With so much of the timeline now set in stone (as follows):
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the keystone to placing the remaining games seems to be ALttP. Does it go in the Adult (AT) timeline, or the Child (CT) timeline? Does it come before or after FSA? There are key points to be considered:
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It's clearly within the Child Timeline -- at the moment, Hyrule-under-the-sea from
The Wind Waker was pretty much laid waste at the end of that game, and King Daphnes' comments after Ganon's death suggest that it will never be resurrected.
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Originally Posted by Evilsbane
- ALttP appears to reference OoT as the story of how Ganondorf got the Triforce. This would indicate AT placement, as the events of OoT only took place in the AT. However, TP goes on to indicate that Ganondorf got his mitts on the Triforce in the CT too, although how he managed it is unclear. Furthermore, both OoT Ganon and TP Ganon seize only the ToP, not the whole thing as he is shown to have in ALttP.
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Some of the early backstory given to us in
Zelda III can't really be taken at literal face-value anymore...the designers, including Miyamoto himself, have since fudged, tweaked, and retconned a great deal of it in later years to suit their own purposes, as far as new
Zelda projects were concerned.
Nothing is ever going to match up 100 percent.
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Originally Posted by Evilsbane
- ALttP takes place in a Hyrule that is almost a perfect match with the Hyrule of OoT, suggesting that a flood never took place and ergo suggesting a CT placement. On the other hand, FSA shows the exact same Hyrule as ALttP being an island kingdom surrounded by a sea, and even though it also matches perfectly with OoT Hyrule, it does lend credence to an AT placement.
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I think one can read far too much into certain maps -- we know that the producers have never abided by a consistent, agreed-upon map of Hyrule, ever; and the FSA map of Hyrule in particular totally contradicts what we know the kingdom looks like from the NES
Zeldas,
A Link to the Past, and
Twilight Princess (landlocked, with mountains to the west, and even more territory north of the Death Mountain region).
One solution to this is to not interpret the
Four Swords Adventures map literally -- that it's simply a hyperstylized depiction of that specific game's immediately-accessible territories, with the water representing "off-limits" lands that the player cannot get to. Indeed, other games in other franchises have done the same thing, either with clouds or water cordoning off inaccessible zones on related maps.
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Originally Posted by Evilsbane
- ALttP takes place in the same timeline as LoZ and AoL (or so Miyamoto said), and AoL contains towns named after OoT's Sages. Since these Sages were only awakened in the AT, this indicates an AT placement.
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However, we still see the Sages in
*both* the Child and Adult Timelines during
Ocarina, past and future alike. The implication is that they were substantially omniscient, and were essentially "outside" of time itself...witness their ability to send Link into any era they wished, as the situation dictated.
Besides which, it then becomes a temporal paradox for the Sages to
*not* have been awakened in the past -- else, how could they have affected changes in the future, and managed to overthrow Ganon?
It's quite simple and obvious that
A Link to the Past is set in the Child Timeline...it's an essential building-block of the continuity between
Ocarina of Time,
Twilight Princess, and the NES
Zeldas, and future games in the series will very likely follow this philosophy.
One doesn't really need to engage in convoluted mental gymnastics to rationalize its placement -- swinging "Occam's Razor" cuts right through virtually all of the speculative underbrush.