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Old 08-25-2007, 05:00 PM
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Re: The Fierce Diety Mask

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Originally Posted by Eralk Fang
The Sheikah are specifically tied to the Hylians, through their servitude, so I imagine at least some of the Shadow Temple refers to Ikana. The united Kingdom of Hyrule was only made ten years ago- the Kingdom of Hyrule has always been around as long as there's a Hylian monarch.
Ikana? Also, the United Kingdom of Hyrule more or less is the Kingdom of Hyrule, and Hyrule also appears to be the name of the entire region. There is also the fact that the Shadow Temple was made to contain the evil and darkness: just because it was there doesn't mean that the Hylians were sick, ruthless people.


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Why? Red hair is not unheard of in a Hylian. Anju has red hair. And, as the Deku, Gorons, and Zora show us, culture doesn't have to be the same for a parallel.
Save for the first and second LoZ, Hylian rulers appear to have blond hair, seeing as how every Zelda has been blond. In Hyrule, the only race red hair seemed to be common in was the Gerudo, and Anju is one of the few exceptions to this rule (Malon's mother is hinted to be a Gerudo.) There's a difference in culture, and then there's just plain different. If we are to use King Hyrule from WW as the generic model for all Kings of Hyrule, then he has more or less nothing in common with Igos du Ikana. I have also brought up how the parallels to the soldiers of Hyrule are in Clock Town, while King Ikana's guards dress differently.


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Had the Ikana and Garo united, there would be no wars in the area, and they may have struck out to conquer- akin to Hyrule. Divided, they are distracted from any other activity other than killing each other. As far as the war the Ikana and the Garo have... it appears the Garo Nation, which the Ikana were already enemies with, finally sent spies to Ikana, which resulted in the final and fatal war. The nations don't seem to have been founded on this, but war between them was common.
The Sheikah appeared to have been a small group of people, while the Garo appear to have been a kingdom of their own. Also, seeing as how the Ikanians and Garo held long, genocidal wars against each other, I doubt the two working together would be for the good of anyone. Both of them sound plain bloodthirsty. Finally, the Kingdom of Ikana, as in your previously-mentioned quote, was founded on war and bloodshed, and with the Garo as their mortal enemies, it only sounds logical to believe that the kingdoms were founded during their wars against each other. We don't know how long the kingdoms lasted or how long ago they were made. That's also an issue: you can argue that time doesn't matter in Termina, but the rise and fall of the Hylian Kingdom and the Ikanian Kingdom appear too far apart in time to be parallels.


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The Garo are undead, like the Ikana. Again, culture can be different.
I think there's a difference in having culture and being zombies.



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The Gorons do mention it, and so do the Zora.
Yet, if Darunia's outburst upon first meeting Link is any indication, the Gorons are prideful people and likely do not want help unless seriously desperate. The Zora do not appear to have any traits like this, and King Zora's comment about Jabu-Jabu seems to say that some time has passed, meaning that if Ganondorf did break in the Zora could have brought word to the King of Hyrule, not to mention that with the river they could bring news much faster than the Gorons could. While the King of Hyrule did trust Ganondorf, I doubt that he trusted him enough to teach him Zelda's Lullaby. In the end, Ganondorf probably was allowed to enter through a less important entrance to meet with the Zora.


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If he got into Zora's Domain, his pledge to the King may have had some weight.
As I said, I doubt the King trusted Ganondorf enough to teach him the song of the Royal Family. Also, Ganondorf affected Jabu-Jabu differently than the Gorons: the King of the Zora only mentioned that Jabu-Jabu wasn't feeling too well. Ganondorf did something major to the Gorons, but their stubbornness and pride probably kept them from really doing anything. If Ganondorf broke in, and Jabu-Jabu was sick after that, they would probably have told the King of Hyrule about it immediately.


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Yes, they do get out, a few centuries later. In Ocarina of Time, they're a bit reclusive. And thus, different from the outgoing Zora of Termina.
As I said, in OOT the Zoras were searching for Princess Ruto and then they were frozen: they didn't really have a chance to do anything. We can't call them reclusive because they were busy and frozen.


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But she is killed quite quickly, making her being the center of their religion not so hot. I can't imagine that Gohma, a giant insect, was thinking that far ahead. She was made to kill the Great Deku Tree on the inside.
We don't know how long the Great Deku Tree was being eaten by Queen Gohma, and Ganondorf might have set Queen Gohma on the Deku Scrubs beforehand just so the Queen could be guarded in case anyone got inside of the Great Deku Tree. While you could argue that this wasn't needed, Ganondorf did put Dodongos in Dodongo's Cavern while sealing the way, and he did put a letter about Ruto being eaten in Lake Hylia. Gohma could have just taken over, penetrated the GDT, and the Dekus could have gone in.


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How? Ingo gets three parallels, two of which are quite different from each other. The Zora Royal Family of Hyrule can be interpreted as a parallel of the Hylian Royal Family of Hyrule in Ocarina of Time.
Those two royal families are in the same game in the same world. Termina is more or less a parallel of Hyrule, and thus the parallel arguement only works for a Hyrule/Termina comparison. Also, with the existence of people such as Kafei, the blacksmith "duo", and Skull Keeta, Termina appears to have some originality to it.

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It's not as if the two are the same. With the Deku, it is comedic- the King is fussy and quick to anger and the princess is sassy. Since you think the connection is a kidnapped princess scenario, why can't it be a parallel to Ruto's kidnapping? There's a bit more to it than Zelda's kidnapping- the princess is found in a dungeon, looking for something specific (The Deku Princess and the monkey wish to learn about the poison in Woodfall).
The Deku Royal Family is more fleshed out than the Zora Royal Family, there is the Butler, who can be seen as an Impa figure, there are the Deku guards (that tell time like the Hylian guards), and the parallel is that the Deku King actually cares about his kingdom's problems and listens to his daughter, while the King of Hyrule was blind to Ganondorf and disreguarded Zelda's words. As a small note, the Kingdom of Hyrule wasn't the only kingdom in Hyrule, and they all fought in the Fierce War, so you could argue that anyone is a parallel of anyone.


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With the Ikana, it's a cruel revision- what if Hyrule lost? There's nothing comedic about it.
Ikana appears to have more than the outcome of a war separating them from Hyrule, and they didn't lose against the Gorons or Termina's Ganon--they fought the Garo from the beginning, and they died with the Garo.


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No, as Hylian is a race, and Termina is a country. In Termina culture, they are called humans- however, this is confusing, as a Human race was introduced in the Oracles, and humans is used as a catch-all term for Gerudo, Sheikah, Hylians, and Humans in Hyrule.
Wrong. Hylians are only a race in Hyrule, presumably named after the land and being the chosen ones of the Goddesses. In Termina, they'd be Terminians, and seeing as how Termina was made on accident, I doubt that any parallel of the Hylians would wind up like the Hylians, seeing as how they wouldn't be the chosen people of the Goddesses. Also, they are all human, so counting human as its own branch just seems silly.

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Alright. I do think there are some links to Ikana from the Fierce Deity- via race and a few other hints- but you're right, there's nothing outright.
I really don't see a connection at all other than fitting the cardinal rose mask trend. Whatever the reason, the Fierce Deity appears to have little to do with anything, and seeing as how Nintendo was actually planning for the FDM to be an Adult Link mask at first, the FD might not really have any importance.


This debate could go on, but I don't really have any more interest in it, and I personally want to give other people a chance to expand their ideas.
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Vaati is the oldest villain in the Zelda chronology, and the oldest are always the most powerful.
Man, I've disproved this point every time I've dropped by the old folk's home.

I... I'm not allowed there any more.
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