WARNING - CALLING ALL FORMER AND CURRENT SPLIT TIMELINE THEORIST -WARNING
Please note that explanations for the mechanics of how the events may be perceived in order for the Split Timeline to occur in the series is NOT valid in-game reference and further more is not implied by the game itself so therefore the arguments on these points are mere assumption. All info of “REAL” implied in-game references and other Official Word from the producers of Zelda are considered valid arguments.
Thank you.
Note to all that this is the LAST time I am going to go all out and try to reason with this blasted theory. There are valid points that the Split Timeline Theorist stand behind and they have there own perspective on things as they are presented from the ending of OoT. However some of these facts are doubled edged and can be considered debatable and there is no real conclusion to whether Nintendo is incorporating a Split Timeline as their official timeline. SO, I have posted the points for how the Split Timeline is supported from these perspectives NOT allowing ANY assumed mathematics and explanations for the mechanics of how the Split Timeline works behind the scenes. Therefore ANYTHING explained behind the scenes and is not presented to the visable eye is considered invalid and mere speculation. Therefore we should all look at the hard core facts.
Most of the points were discussed on how the producers have guided the chronology of Zelda in my Words from Above Thread here:
The Word From Above Counts Today...
You can see here how the timeline has undergone with little to no direction until Anouma stepped into the picture. This will be clearly visible once you get further into reading this article.
So without Further ado lets take a look at the main facts that back up this theory:
The Split Timeline’s Legacy:
Fact 1:
The Infamous Interview With Miyamoto that Started it All
Nintendo Interview Article Issue 2002 ( Q3 )
(GameSpot)
"Q: Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?
Aonuma:
You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.
Miyamoto: Well, wait, which point does the hundred years start from?
Aonuma: From the end.
Miyamoto:
No, I mean, as a child or as a...
Aonuma: Oh, right, let me elaborate on that. Ocarina of Time basically has
two endings of sorts; one has Link as a child and the other has him as an adult. This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years* after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.
Miyamoto: This is pretty confusing for us, too. (laughs) So be careful."
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Here you can see that Split Timeline Theorist derives the point of OoT having two ending. To the theorist it implies two different separate timelines. However the fact here is doubled edged and can also be assumed by Linear Timeline Theorist that where the producers talk about the hundred years branching off of the adult timeline we see it only branching from that point in OoT’s position in one chronological state.
Fact 2:
The Confusion of In-Game References:
There are two main things derived by both theorist and both in-game references have been proven to have a double edge due to the main interview facts being double edged:
OoT (Ending) – Princess Zelda:
Thank you. Link... Thanks to you, Ganondorf has been sealed inside the Evil Realm! Thus, peace will once again reign in this world...for a time. All the tragedy that has befallen Hyrule was my doing... I was so young...I could not comprehend the consequences of trying to control the Sacred Realm. I dragged you into it, too. Now it is time for me to make up for my mistakes... You must lay the Master Sword to rest and close the Door of Time... However, by doing this, the road between time will be closed... Link, give the Ocarina to me... As a Sage, I can return you to your original time with it.
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Here you can clearly see that Zelda says that the road between time travel shall be closed from this point on. Split Timeline Theorist believe that the word “closed” implies that time itself is closed off at this point along with its current and following events. Although it can be argued that the road has been closed right after Ganon's defeat and that is why Zelda has to use the OoT to send Link back. The Linear Timeline Theorist believe this and that time travel is simply being halted at this particular time frame in OoT's future whereas in the past time travel would still be open to travel through, just not to the point of when Hyrule has obtained true peace – as to why halting time travel would prevent evil ones from tempering with the outcome of Hyrules bright new future after Ganon’s defeat.
So both ways are debatable because the mechanics behind time travel are undefined/inconsistent by if things are altered or divided up because of changes such as these presented in the time traveling of OoT. There is not simply a one sided debate hear. EVER.
WW – King of Red Lions:
Link, do you know the legend of the Hero of Time? Once, long ago, he defeated Ganon and brought peace to the Kingdom of Hyrule... A piece of the Triforce was given to the Hero of Time and he kept it safe, much as Zelda kept hers. That sacred piece is known as the Triforce of Courage. When the Hero of Time was called to embark on another journey and left the land of Hyrule, he was separated from the elements that made him a hero. It is said that at that time, the Triforce of Courage was split into eight shards and hidden throughout the land. Even I do not know where they rest, but this much I do know: they lie hidden somewhere in this Great Sea. The Triforce of Courage is the only key that will once again open the doorway to Hyrule. You must search for it.
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Here the King of Red Lions speaks of the Hero of Time partaking on a journey away from Hyrule. Split Timeline Theorist have made this functionally double-edged by saying that the journey implies a journey back through time away from the future Hyrule timeline. The Linear Timeline Theorist believe that this proves that MM co exists on the same timeline because it implies that the journey is the personal journey the Hero of Time was called on to find his friend after the OoT child ending. Unfortunately this fact is double edged too because of the infamous interview with Miyamoto.
Conclusion to the Split Timeline Theroy’s Stands Here:
Looking at the debates over the years since MM’s development up until now, the Split Timeline Theory and its theorist have had it made with their own little division amongst the timeline debating party. Neither theory can dilute one another or cancel each other out. That is why the mechanics/mathematics of how it happens for either timeline theory to work is resorted to continuous bickering over how the universe works once you have traveled through it by time.
It is a lost battle for both sides….
Until now.
The Ignored Facts that May Kill the Alternate Theory:
Fact 1:
The Restated and Redefined Article
Nintendo Interview Article Issue 2002 December ( Q4 )
(Nintendo Power)
http://www.nintendo.com/gamedev?gameid=m-Game-0000-823
Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall timeline of the Legend of Zelda?
Mr. Aonuma: In terms of the storyline, we've decided that this takes place 100 years after the events in The Ocarina of Time. We think that as you play through the game, you'll notice that in the beginning the storyline explains some of the events in The Ocarina of Time. You'll also find hints of things from The Ocarina of Time that exists in The Wind Waker.
There's also a more complicated explanation. If you think back to the end of The Ocarina of Time, there were two endings to that game in different time periods. First Link defeated Ganon as an adult, and then he actually went back to being a child. You could say that The Wind Waker takes place 100 years after the ending in which Link was an adult.
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Nintedo Power Magazines took this interview some time after the one in 2002 Q3. Anouma redefined some things that were not accurately explained in the first interview as you can see from Miyamoto’s confusion over the matter. Anouma says here that OoT had two endings, yes, but he defined the ending as periods. Periods in A time. Period is defined as a sole interval point on a line, if I am not mistaken. I believe that if there was clearly a Spit timeline in the making it would be defined that MM took place in a different time DIVISION. But nonetheless it says PERIODS – Two plotted points on A single line. This is a major point made in this interview that CANNOT be defined from two different perspectives unless you don’t understand english. This is a true hard core FACT that is presented in a clearly one-way defined form.
This interview has been ignored by the Split Timeline Theorist and it is up for debate. It was claimed by a Nintendo source and therefore since it is an updated version for the latter one in 2002, discussions should be logically looked off of this one.
Split Timeline Theorist have yet to defend their grounds here and I want answers.
Fact 2:
Links Memories and Zelda’s Prophesy
MM – Zelda’s Quote:
You are already leaving this land of Hyrule, aren't you?
Even though it was only a short time, I feel like I've known you forever. I'll never forget the days we spent together in Hyrule...
And I believe in my heart that a day will come when I shall meet you again... Until that day comes, please... Take this... I am praying... I am praying that your journey be a safe one. If something should happen to you, remember this song... The Goddess of Time is protecting you. If you play the Song of Time, she will aid you...
Ah ha… Here is a genuine in-game quote that no one have ever looked into with any depth. Here Zelda proclaims that she feels that she has known him forever. Since Zelda is a girl of prophesies it is no mere coincidence that she is experiencing disavow. But why would she experience this if the future of OoT has been disconnected and has its own timeline now? Also there is the point where Zelda feels that she will meet Link again. What a coincidence for here to predict that he comes back to Hyrule to give her back the OoT. So this all has to have a one sided view of things. This is a solid fact and I doubt anyone can assume that Zelda is having disavow for some other purpose.
This all needs to be explained by Split Timeline Theorist… NOW.
Conclusion Over the New Evidence:
Until further notice, the evidence seems promising enough that Nintendo is not going to officially adopt the Split Timeline ideal as there own. I have made a conclusion that this evidence stands on solid grounds and any other double-sided views to them is speculation nonetheless.
Note to Opponents and Viewers With Belief in both Timeline Theories:
I am making this thread to get a clean debate against those that still believe that the Split Timeline is a valid view in today’s timeline debates. I would hope that anyone should speak up if ANY of the new-presented discoveries are not valid in some way. As for now I see the Spit Timeline Theory very weak and not that confirmable to any degree at what the Linear Timeline Theory stands here at ZU and possibly other sites as well.
So… I am waiting for a contradiction my fellow adversaries. How can you make these two evidences be double edged like from the other latter outdated interview?
~ LOZ H ~